HOW MANY P MARGOLIS critcs WILL see HIS FILM-and apologize?
Moderators: Randy Perry, The Flying Dutchman, Stiltzkin, skezza, Trigger
Mr MickDick: Clearly I asked if you were a shill for the Osbourne's, or on your own accord!, Never would I think Randy would want you to be his shill, nor would his family, indeed !!!!!! You really are a twat, are you not ? I do not agree with you what so ever, and Romeo Rose had nothing to do with my post! State very clear who you are intending to debunk, as your post seem to be offending everything that Randy was as a person, and stood for ! I knew the fellow, but what do I know right !
?Clearly I asked if you were a shill for the Osbourne's, or on your own accord!, Never would I think Randy would want you to be his shill, nor would his family, indeed !!!!!! You really are a twat, are you not
As I understand it, a shill means an associate of a person selling goods or services. I am not a shill for the Osbournes or anyone. When I said I was a shill for Randy, I meant that if anything, I was sticking up for Randy in this argument.
I'm sure he would want as many people to be inspired by him as possible, that's what I'm trying to show you guys. That a documentary is the best way to do this and that it is not soley for us.
I'll glady debunk this:I do not agree with you what so ever, and Romeo Rose had nothing to do with my post!
You say:
No. Romeorose did!Who says that Peter ever got the pro footage? You?
Romeorose said:
Next debukning:Peter has already paid the two brothers for the film. It will be released. The Blizzard pro shot will be released also as a seperate dvd included with the dvd documentary
You say:
I completely agree with this:The production of this documentary was to memorialize a very special, unique human being, who had gifts beyond those of his own time.
This film will inspire those who have not been born. Wouldn't you have preferred it if there was a doco like this when you first heard about Randy? So you don't have to trawl the web for every single piece of Randy Rhoads and compile it yourself, there will be this doco. It's for future generations to come
As you can see, I am arguing that Peter is trying to make this documentary inspire people who do not know who Randy Rhoads is, or people who could learn more about him! This is why there is a doco, to inspire people. Not us, we are already inspired, but other people outside of UR and TK. Sure the pro-footage is inspiring, but you can't release that at Sundance and not as many people will see it as they have no idea who Randy is and will probably have no interest in watching a concert of him without knowing who he is. That's where the doco helps.As for the 'artsy fartsy' stuff (very mature, I might add), this is used to help PORTRAY a story of Randy, it's to help people who understand nothing about him before watching the film, to idolise him after watching it. Peter is trying to make the world see what we see
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You say:
Again I completely agree.film was to be done, because Dee ,and her family wanted fans and people everywhere to understand who Randy was, not what people perceived him to be. Yes , to inspire those in the future, but to those now, who need inspiration in their own musical endeavours as well.
My above quotes of myself are also applicable in this situation. I believe that Peter is doing his best to make the world see what we see in Randy.
What we think of Randy is pretty similar to what his family think of him. And I understand Peter has this in mind and it is his best intention to carry that out in the doco.
Of course it's not only to inspire those in the future, it is also to inspire those who do not know who he is. Since we already do, I think it is a bit selfish of us telling Peter what to have in the doco for OUR convenience. We should be thinking of OTHER people. All those interviews in the doco are there to help portray the Randy we know to inspire people who watch the film.
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You say:
Again, I couldn't agree with you more. And that's exactly what i've said in my last 4 or so posts. This documentary, having all those interviews with people inspired by Randy, will help people realise that Randy Rhoads was a great inspiration for many famous guitarists today. That will make them think they can do it too.Randy would want people to understand who he was, to continue to inspire, and know that they could do it to
Now please, HOW IS THAT NOT THE SAME THING? WE ARE AGREEING ON EVERYTHING IT SEEMS. Well it at least seems that your counter-arguments to my argument, is exactly what my argument says.
Please address each argument individually and tell me where we have a different opinion. As far as I see it, we both want the same thing.
Were you actually friends with Randy? As far as I recall you only went to his school.
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Yes, I was actually a friend of Randy's before all of this craziness ensued ! "John Muir Junior High", Burbank High School" We all knew everyone, and Randy was a very shy and quiet person, but yes he was a friend. McDick ,you really need to go back to your post tonight at 2:03am ! Like I have said, show your credits to be able to state the facts as you have stated in posts here! Did you know Randy personally ? Did he confide to you that he only wanted future persons to know his history? I doubt that seriously ! Randy was the type of person who wanted the best for everyone, his students meant so much to him. I seriously doubt he would want this film to just be for the future sevants, and protege's , he and his family would want it for the people now, as well as the future, who have been and will be, most inspired by him. I have no idea who you are, but I can certainly tell you have no idea who Randy was as a person, or how his family feels! Maybe you need to get a strapeon!
I agree NicDots, and i'm really trying not to fight here, this is stupid. Considering RRfish is well over 40 years of age, and I just of 17.
All my others facts, which there aren't really many of, are backed up.
You are still avoiding addressing my arguments. Find a major Hollywood Studio that prefers audience appreciation while losing money, over making money. You wont find any, and I don't need to live in Hollywood to know that.
Also please address the point where I say that we share the same ideals, you just seem to be arguing for shits and giggles.
Seriously, read my posts correctly.
Peter making this documentary, will hopefully get people who don't know about Randy, to people who are inspired by him.
I never said it was for only future people, I said it is for current people as well! You and romeorose are the ones giving the film shit, you are romeo are the ones trying to ruin it, trying to make it look bad! How is that what the Rhoads' family wants???
Jesus, man, did you ever learn to read at that school of yours?
You and romeo are the ones who don't want this doco and are calling it a P.O.S. I am the one who is saying to stop being so selfish because this film isn't just for you and romeo and trigger, it's for EVERYONE. The Rhoads' family will want as many people to be inspired by Randy as possible, that will not be achieved by just releasing live footage. A documentary is needed so it can be commercialised better. It will reach far greater amounts of people than live footage ever will.
In your next reply:
1: Address my argument individually, use quotes so it is clear what you are talking about.
2: Make sure you read my posts, and most importantly yours. You are the one who seems to be harrassing this film, not me. I don't see how the Rhoads' family would prefer no doco, and just live footage. I'm sure they would prefer a doco, which will inspire thousands of people who have never even heard of Randy before the documentary. Why else would they sign a 3 year contract?
If you can not respond with a decent argument, you are officially less immature, less intelligent and less of a Rhoads' fan than I, a 17 year old high school student from NZ who wasn't even alive at the same time as Randy.
Insults, such as McDick (what the fuck btw? My username is a song by OZzy which Randy played guitar on, way to disrespect him), are not seen as mature behaviour by the way.
It's a lot earlier than that over here...in the future.you really need to go back to your post tonight at 2:03am
What facts? The only fact I haven't backed up is how exactly we define our relationship with Randy Rhoads as an inspiration. Which clearly differs between each member but we all share some underlining common interest that makes us fans of him. Since i'm referencing us all, as well all seem to share the same interest in him, and that no one seems to have a problem with me calling them a dedicated fan, there is no reason to back up my claim that we are all huge fans of Randy Rhoads.show your credits to be able to state the facts as you have stated in posts here
All my others facts, which there aren't really many of, are backed up.
You are still avoiding addressing my arguments. Find a major Hollywood Studio that prefers audience appreciation while losing money, over making money. You wont find any, and I don't need to live in Hollywood to know that.
Also please address the point where I say that we share the same ideals, you just seem to be arguing for shits and giggles.
We already know his history, so the doco isn't really aimed at us. And I never said only future, I said current people who are not aware of Randy Rhoads, will be aware of him after this doco, and if Peter makes the film right, they will be inspired by Rhoads, or admire him.Did he confide to you that he only wanted future persons to know his history?
Seriously, read my posts correctly.
So how is 'the best for everyone', trying to have a documentary about him shut down. I'd imagine that Randy would want to inspire as many people as possible. He never seemed like a Rock star who just wanted to show off his licks, he wanted to inspire.Randy was the type of person who wanted the best for everyone, his students meant so much to him.
Peter making this documentary, will hopefully get people who don't know about Randy, to people who are inspired by him.
DUDE! READ MY POSTS!I seriously doubt he would want this film to just be for the future sevants, and protege's , he and his family would want it for the people now, as well as the future, who have been and will be, most inspired by him.
I never said it was for only future people, I said it is for current people as well! You and romeorose are the ones giving the film shit, you are romeo are the ones trying to ruin it, trying to make it look bad! How is that what the Rhoads' family wants???
Jesus, man, did you ever learn to read at that school of yours?
You and romeo are the ones who don't want this doco and are calling it a P.O.S. I am the one who is saying to stop being so selfish because this film isn't just for you and romeo and trigger, it's for EVERYONE. The Rhoads' family will want as many people to be inspired by Randy as possible, that will not be achieved by just releasing live footage. A documentary is needed so it can be commercialised better. It will reach far greater amounts of people than live footage ever will.
I feel almost embarrassed for having this discussion with you. Not because you said I should get a strap-on, but because i'm arguing with a 40 year old + man, who's best argument is insulting. And when asked to address certain issues, insteads paraphrases arguments and addresses them irrelevantly.Maybe you need to get a strapeon
In your next reply:
1: Address my argument individually, use quotes so it is clear what you are talking about.
2: Make sure you read my posts, and most importantly yours. You are the one who seems to be harrassing this film, not me. I don't see how the Rhoads' family would prefer no doco, and just live footage. I'm sure they would prefer a doco, which will inspire thousands of people who have never even heard of Randy before the documentary. Why else would they sign a 3 year contract?
If you can not respond with a decent argument, you are officially less immature, less intelligent and less of a Rhoads' fan than I, a 17 year old high school student from NZ who wasn't even alive at the same time as Randy.
Insults, such as McDick (what the fuck btw? My username is a song by OZzy which Randy played guitar on, way to disrespect him), are not seen as mature behaviour by the way.
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I would really like to stress that my only arguments are:
1: The best way to get as many people inspired about Randy Rhoads is via this documentary. This will require interviews with people who have never even met Rhoads, but are inspired by him. These interviews are crucial when making a documentary that is meant to inspire.
2: The pro-footage will be far more important to us than any documentary could ever be, but we have to remember that this documentary is not for just us at UR and TK. This documentary is also for the public. It is aiming to inspire, or at least make the public, admire Randy Rhoads. Who very few know even existed.
3: We should all stop bickering about the documentary for these reasons. As long as the film inspires people, we should be happy. Randy would be happy. As you have said it yourself, the pro-footage is what is most important to us. So lets let Peter do his job, i'm sure he is doing his best to make this documentary as inspiring as possible. I do unserstand he may have stepped on toes, such as Kelly Garni and Kevin DuBrow, some of Randy's closest friends.
Let's just leave Peter to it, if the documentary is boring and unimportant in our eyes, it could be inspiring and entertaining in the eyes of the common person, the person who has not yet learnt of the greatness that is Randy Rhoads.
I am having trouble understanding how these intentions, which are what I am arguing for here, and the only thing I am arguing for here, are not the intentions of all the members on this board. It's not all about us, as long as we get the pro-footage, i'm sure you will all be happy. So let's leave the documentary alone and hope Peter does his best job as when this film is released, who knows what could happen. We could be seeing a lot more members on both forums. The more people inspired by the doco, the better. Hopefully Peter's stepping on toes turns out to be worthwhile when the film is released.
1: The best way to get as many people inspired about Randy Rhoads is via this documentary. This will require interviews with people who have never even met Rhoads, but are inspired by him. These interviews are crucial when making a documentary that is meant to inspire.
2: The pro-footage will be far more important to us than any documentary could ever be, but we have to remember that this documentary is not for just us at UR and TK. This documentary is also for the public. It is aiming to inspire, or at least make the public, admire Randy Rhoads. Who very few know even existed.
3: We should all stop bickering about the documentary for these reasons. As long as the film inspires people, we should be happy. Randy would be happy. As you have said it yourself, the pro-footage is what is most important to us. So lets let Peter do his job, i'm sure he is doing his best to make this documentary as inspiring as possible. I do unserstand he may have stepped on toes, such as Kelly Garni and Kevin DuBrow, some of Randy's closest friends.
Let's just leave Peter to it, if the documentary is boring and unimportant in our eyes, it could be inspiring and entertaining in the eyes of the common person, the person who has not yet learnt of the greatness that is Randy Rhoads.
I am having trouble understanding how these intentions, which are what I am arguing for here, and the only thing I am arguing for here, are not the intentions of all the members on this board. It's not all about us, as long as we get the pro-footage, i'm sure you will all be happy. So let's leave the documentary alone and hope Peter does his best job as when this film is released, who knows what could happen. We could be seeing a lot more members on both forums. The more people inspired by the doco, the better. Hopefully Peter's stepping on toes turns out to be worthwhile when the film is released.
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I can see how people confuse things in relation to UR and Peter but thats all itis 'Confusion'MrCrowley wrote: I am having trouble understanding how these intentions, which are what I am arguing for here, and the only thing I am arguing for here, are not the intentions of all the members on this board.
We have always supported the the film priot to and following Peters departure from here.
And Peter will know that we fully support a project to document Randy's life!
I imagine it is also easy to see this as a one sided distaste for Peter but you can only be judged on your actions and his actions towards us in Private and in public are how I judge him as an individual.
Baring in mind that we do judge him on his own actions I think it displays our own individual integrity to still give support to him and his project, when we showed his trailer we congratulated him on it and showed our plessure, it was from closer to Peter that the objections and exagerations came.
Peter like everyone is only an ordinary member at UR we don't have vip's as a result he will recieve the respect that he deserves based on the respect he shows the members.
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I'm not a very well rooted member here or at TK, meaning I see what's on the forum and that's about it. So my view can be very limited to what really goes on. Like I only know that Kelly Garni and Kevin DuBrow were not happy with Peter for various reasons which I know little about. I understand some people being mad at Peter, if he stepped on toes, fair enough. But I think Romeorose and a few others members may be going a bit too far.
Post your disliking of him, sure, free world. But at least be respectable while doing so.
You guys also joke about the horse thing, and other 'witnesses' of the crash, and the fact the film is taking so long to be released. I just hope you guys understand why Peter tracked down that girl who witnessed the crash at such expense, or why he might interview people who never met Randy or why this film is taking 3 years considering it's just "fucking interviews".
I have a lot of respect for anyone who makes a film, it's a damn hard thing to do. And as long as Peter has the best intentions for the legacy of Randy in mind, i'm behind him 100%, even if he does bother a few people.
But yeah, i'm really trying not to cause a fuss here, I just have to speak out when romeo thinks that film making is point, shoot, edit.
And that a monkey could do it. You don't have to respect the guy, but respect what he's doing.
Post your disliking of him, sure, free world. But at least be respectable while doing so.
You guys also joke about the horse thing, and other 'witnesses' of the crash, and the fact the film is taking so long to be released. I just hope you guys understand why Peter tracked down that girl who witnessed the crash at such expense, or why he might interview people who never met Randy or why this film is taking 3 years considering it's just "fucking interviews".
I have a lot of respect for anyone who makes a film, it's a damn hard thing to do. And as long as Peter has the best intentions for the legacy of Randy in mind, i'm behind him 100%, even if he does bother a few people.
But yeah, i'm really trying not to cause a fuss here, I just have to speak out when romeo thinks that film making is point, shoot, edit.
And that a monkey could do it. You don't have to respect the guy, but respect what he's doing.
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Mr Crowley
By saying 'you guys' I sincerely hope you mean the handful of people in the thread (less than 10) and not the getting onto 900 members at UR. UR doesn't have borg like views of anything including the filk or Peter.
By the way Horse is me, and was just a bit of light hearted fun to aleviate the tedium and non sense of the film, which like many people I am sick to the back teeth of.
Matt
By saying 'you guys' I sincerely hope you mean the handful of people in the thread (less than 10) and not the getting onto 900 members at UR. UR doesn't have borg like views of anything including the filk or Peter.
By the way Horse is me, and was just a bit of light hearted fun to aleviate the tedium and non sense of the film, which like many people I am sick to the back teeth of.
Matt
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Mr Crowley,
One thing I don't understand is why Peter tracked down the girl horseback riding that day. If I remember correct, she was a ways away.
If I remember correct, she could only see the plane from time to time above the tree tops, then when she heard the crash, she went in that direction.
She saw something transpire from a distance, maybe she saw the aftermath up close...but what's for her to tell? She saw a plane crash, and a bunch of very upset people after the fact. I don't see what she could add that Don Airey's segment couldn't.
Do you understand? If so, can you enlighten us? Not calling you out at all...in my 41 years, I hadn't heard about this girl until the past few years.
Also, what was up with the bars on the window business? We've been told about the 10 hour shoot concerning the bedroom window, and that the Rhoads family wasn't very keen on that particular ordeal. Peter had said in the AMG interview that he was given lots of access. If you are being denied access to something, then perhaps you should leave it be.
What is there to learn from Randy's bedroom?
In terms of questioning why certain folks were included, I know that objective opinions can be a good thing, but why interview someone who flat out didn't like Randy?
Chris Holmes from 2000:
The Inside: So what was that whole musical vibe like back then?
CH: Well, every band had their rivals and back then, Quiet Riot was Van Halen's. They were about the same age. The San Fernando people were Quiet Riot fans and San Gabriel people were Van Halen fans. I just never liked Quiet Riot. I used to make fun of them because they wore polka-dots and bow ties, and Van Halen was like a drunk party band all the time. I didn't like Randy Rhoads either. I don't want to say anything bad about the guy, but there's always rivals.
Entire interview found here:
http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/interviews/misc/tisu00.php
Not looking to cause any trouble...I came across that a few weeks ago researching Chris, as he is part of the film, and he owned 3 or 4 Rhoads Jacksons...I automatically assumed he was a fan. Perhaps it was all bravado, seeing how he was talking to a VH magazine, and Ed was an influence and friend.
As said before, anyone can make a doc, but no one can make a Rhoads doc. Peter is the only one who gets that distinction, as he was the first of many to get a greenlight from the Rhoads'.
If I don't have their support, I wouldn't get any from Randy's friends or colleagues, either. Therefore, I wouldn't have very much of a film then. So, not just anyone can make a film about Randy Rhoads without the support and blessing of those who loved and knew him.
As I've said before...the doc comes first for me...any footage that comes with is gravy on top...the only thing I was originally hoping for footage-wise when this whole thing was put into motion, was the After Hours footage finally being cleaned up and getting a proper release.
I do still continue to support Peter and the film. I've never had a problem with him personally, but from what I've read here, TK, and the old film site, Peter has a tough time getting along with folks.
On the film being made for the future. I think that's great for Randy's legacy...I truly do. However, if the community of fans in the here and now did not exist, there would be no interest, and ultimately no need for a film.
It isn't about you or me...that is correct. It is about us. The community. The core audience.
One thing I don't understand is why Peter tracked down the girl horseback riding that day. If I remember correct, she was a ways away.
If I remember correct, she could only see the plane from time to time above the tree tops, then when she heard the crash, she went in that direction.
She saw something transpire from a distance, maybe she saw the aftermath up close...but what's for her to tell? She saw a plane crash, and a bunch of very upset people after the fact. I don't see what she could add that Don Airey's segment couldn't.
Do you understand? If so, can you enlighten us? Not calling you out at all...in my 41 years, I hadn't heard about this girl until the past few years.
Also, what was up with the bars on the window business? We've been told about the 10 hour shoot concerning the bedroom window, and that the Rhoads family wasn't very keen on that particular ordeal. Peter had said in the AMG interview that he was given lots of access. If you are being denied access to something, then perhaps you should leave it be.
What is there to learn from Randy's bedroom?
In terms of questioning why certain folks were included, I know that objective opinions can be a good thing, but why interview someone who flat out didn't like Randy?
Chris Holmes from 2000:
The Inside: So what was that whole musical vibe like back then?
CH: Well, every band had their rivals and back then, Quiet Riot was Van Halen's. They were about the same age. The San Fernando people were Quiet Riot fans and San Gabriel people were Van Halen fans. I just never liked Quiet Riot. I used to make fun of them because they wore polka-dots and bow ties, and Van Halen was like a drunk party band all the time. I didn't like Randy Rhoads either. I don't want to say anything bad about the guy, but there's always rivals.
Entire interview found here:
http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/interviews/misc/tisu00.php
Not looking to cause any trouble...I came across that a few weeks ago researching Chris, as he is part of the film, and he owned 3 or 4 Rhoads Jacksons...I automatically assumed he was a fan. Perhaps it was all bravado, seeing how he was talking to a VH magazine, and Ed was an influence and friend.
As said before, anyone can make a doc, but no one can make a Rhoads doc. Peter is the only one who gets that distinction, as he was the first of many to get a greenlight from the Rhoads'.
If I don't have their support, I wouldn't get any from Randy's friends or colleagues, either. Therefore, I wouldn't have very much of a film then. So, not just anyone can make a film about Randy Rhoads without the support and blessing of those who loved and knew him.
As I've said before...the doc comes first for me...any footage that comes with is gravy on top...the only thing I was originally hoping for footage-wise when this whole thing was put into motion, was the After Hours footage finally being cleaned up and getting a proper release.
I do still continue to support Peter and the film. I've never had a problem with him personally, but from what I've read here, TK, and the old film site, Peter has a tough time getting along with folks.
On the film being made for the future. I think that's great for Randy's legacy...I truly do. However, if the community of fans in the here and now did not exist, there would be no interest, and ultimately no need for a film.
It isn't about you or me...that is correct. It is about us. The community. The core audience.
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So Peter is making this film for future generations of fans? Maybe, but I doubt that.
What's the deal with Sundance? From Wikipedia:
The Festival has changed over the decades from a low-profile venue for small-budget, independent creators from outside the Hollywood system to a media extravaganza for Hollywood celebrity actors, paparazzi, and luxury lounges set up by companies that are not affiliated with Sundance, though the Festival itself has tried to curb these activities in recent years, beginning in 2007 with their ongoing "Focus On Film" campaign.
Is Sundance to get more publicity for this film so it will get a wider theatrical release or is Sundance to give Peter and Dakota the opportunity to hobnob with the celebrities? Is this film Peter's 'golden ticket' to fame and fortune? Pick a winning subject matter of little notoriety and make a heart-rending documentary to get instant acclaim from celeb producers? After all, this is Peter Margolis' chosen profession, so why not make a film about Randy when you feel it could give you a shot at the big time if it is successful? That'd explain all the 'celebrity' (at least to '80's hair metal fans) interviews taking the place of fans/friends... The celebs at Sundance aren't going to want to hear from 'nobodies' when they can here from 'that guy I remember from W.A.S.P.'... Hollywood (and that is who Sundance is made up of now) is notorious for being in love with themselves. A lot of folks start out loving the 'art' of film, but in time the money and celebrity win them over.
I'm not saying this is what's happening, just raising a different point of view.
What's the deal with Sundance? From Wikipedia:
The Festival has changed over the decades from a low-profile venue for small-budget, independent creators from outside the Hollywood system to a media extravaganza for Hollywood celebrity actors, paparazzi, and luxury lounges set up by companies that are not affiliated with Sundance, though the Festival itself has tried to curb these activities in recent years, beginning in 2007 with their ongoing "Focus On Film" campaign.
Is Sundance to get more publicity for this film so it will get a wider theatrical release or is Sundance to give Peter and Dakota the opportunity to hobnob with the celebrities? Is this film Peter's 'golden ticket' to fame and fortune? Pick a winning subject matter of little notoriety and make a heart-rending documentary to get instant acclaim from celeb producers? After all, this is Peter Margolis' chosen profession, so why not make a film about Randy when you feel it could give you a shot at the big time if it is successful? That'd explain all the 'celebrity' (at least to '80's hair metal fans) interviews taking the place of fans/friends... The celebs at Sundance aren't going to want to hear from 'nobodies' when they can here from 'that guy I remember from W.A.S.P.'... Hollywood (and that is who Sundance is made up of now) is notorious for being in love with themselves. A lot of folks start out loving the 'art' of film, but in time the money and celebrity win them over.
I'm not saying this is what's happening, just raising a different point of view.
Had this place only had a single oppinion and spoke as one voice I would have gone years ago! this isn't a 'You guys' it is all of you and as 'all of you' it debates questions and allows differing oppinions to formulate.Cpt Matt Sparrow wrote:Mr Crowley
By saying 'you guys' I sincerely hope you mean the handful of people in the thread (less than 10) and not the getting onto 900 members at UR. UR doesn't have borg like views of anything including the filk or Peter.
This isn't North Korea or some kind of cult, we are different and respectful and Peter does recieve respect for his work, what I think Mr C is becoming confused about is that Peter is getting all due respect!!! to some it could seem that he is being attacked but it is balanced critique.
I know that when you read comments regarding Peter at TK over the past couple of years you will see much more praise and defference paid to him. This really comes from the fact that TK is approved and Peter has set his tent up inside TK! this is natural because TK have to keep up a one party like approach due to its Rhoads connection and this being an approved film he can expect an easy ride without any questioning. I have only recently seen questioning of Peter at TK since Kelly G pulled his support away!
The concerns Kelly has demonstrated match those of ours, the difference is we have stated them for longer and while we were at one time targeted for abuse by certain people because of it, we are now noticing many other people sharing our concerns. This makes me feel content that we were right all along to question Peter.
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Does this mean they gave it for free?, or does this mean that Peter can't use that footage?TAB wrote:I don't want to fued with anyone but I can say I am a friend of "the brothers" and drug them into this mess being my fault in the 1st place. Trust me, they are not selling anything to Peter or anyone they have nor had intentions of doing so in the first place.
(to me it's not that import if they asked some money or not, I can undertand if they did though. I want to know if that footage will be released? )
The winner of the rat race is still a rat.