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HOW MANY P MARGOLIS critcs WILL see HIS FILM-and apologize?
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whoopiecat
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@Romeorose
Go make a film, try it. It's not like Peter can throw money at people and they make something for him, it is incredibly hard to make a good documentary.
A documentary isn't good because of the footage it contains, but how that footage is portrayed. Go watch King of Kong, half of it's bs, but it was filmed so well, a decent story, Good vs Evil, came from it and it went on to become very successful because of this. If the guy filmed the 100% true story, it wouldn't be half as good.
You can't just point a camera and shoot, and you can't just trim a few video clips and put them together. Spend a day in an editing suite on a reasonably sized film production, you will probably break down. It requires a lot of strength just to edit a film, it is probably one of the most stressful things about film making.
And on top of all that, Peter has to worry about stepping on toe's, this isn't some nobody that no one cares about, this is Randy Rhoads. It's not like he can go around and disrepect everyone and everything, although he is bound to, and sounds like he has, upset a few people.
I'm just laughing at you romeorose, just imagining you running a film production. You wouldn't last a day.
And about the whole thing of the film being delayed/taking so long:
This is how it works in Hollywood:
1: Studio 'invests' money in to a production
2: they expect to see returns in either cash or publicity
3: Peter has to convince them he can do this, so they will trust him with their money.
4: to make money from the film, he needs publicity so people will be aware and watch it, one of the best, and cheapest, ways of doing this is entering it in a decent Film Festival (Sundance).
5: If it is recieved well, people hear good things about it, go watch it and earn Peter money, which goes to him, people who worked on the film and most importantly, the Studio.
6: The studio has it's invested money back, if the film is recieved well, they have good publicity, meaning they get more money, expand as a business and get richer and richer.
That's what they care about, the studio wont really care that much about Randy Rhoads as much as we do, as long as the film is good and makes them the money.
If Peter made this film in a year and a half, it would be a lot worse than it will be, it probably wouldn't make the money and Dakota pictures would lose their invested money. This is not what they want, so for Peter to make the money, he needs a good film. Good flms take time. 3 years even.
Get it?
I want to see this as much as you, but you have to understand, Peter doesn't just get handed money willy-nilly.
I remember kelly saying he had some basic film making skills, i'm sure he can back me up on the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about here.All Peter has to do is set up the interviews, film it, and edit it, big fuckin deal. A monkey could do that.
Go make a film, try it. It's not like Peter can throw money at people and they make something for him, it is incredibly hard to make a good documentary.
A documentary isn't good because of the footage it contains, but how that footage is portrayed. Go watch King of Kong, half of it's bs, but it was filmed so well, a decent story, Good vs Evil, came from it and it went on to become very successful because of this. If the guy filmed the 100% true story, it wouldn't be half as good.
You can't just point a camera and shoot, and you can't just trim a few video clips and put them together. Spend a day in an editing suite on a reasonably sized film production, you will probably break down. It requires a lot of strength just to edit a film, it is probably one of the most stressful things about film making.
And on top of all that, Peter has to worry about stepping on toe's, this isn't some nobody that no one cares about, this is Randy Rhoads. It's not like he can go around and disrepect everyone and everything, although he is bound to, and sounds like he has, upset a few people.
I'm just laughing at you romeorose, just imagining you running a film production. You wouldn't last a day.
Sure maybe another director could've made the film, could be better, could be worse. But it's not like if the Studio stuck a couple of hundred grand or whatever the budget was, in the hands of someone on this forum they could do what Peter has done in the same amount of time.Peter deserves no credit for nothing.
And about the whole thing of the film being delayed/taking so long:
This is how it works in Hollywood:
1: Studio 'invests' money in to a production
2: they expect to see returns in either cash or publicity
3: Peter has to convince them he can do this, so they will trust him with their money.
4: to make money from the film, he needs publicity so people will be aware and watch it, one of the best, and cheapest, ways of doing this is entering it in a decent Film Festival (Sundance).
5: If it is recieved well, people hear good things about it, go watch it and earn Peter money, which goes to him, people who worked on the film and most importantly, the Studio.
6: The studio has it's invested money back, if the film is recieved well, they have good publicity, meaning they get more money, expand as a business and get richer and richer.
That's what they care about, the studio wont really care that much about Randy Rhoads as much as we do, as long as the film is good and makes them the money.
If Peter made this film in a year and a half, it would be a lot worse than it will be, it probably wouldn't make the money and Dakota pictures would lose their invested money. This is not what they want, so for Peter to make the money, he needs a good film. Good flms take time. 3 years even.
Get it?
I want to see this as much as you, but you have to understand, Peter doesn't just get handed money willy-nilly.
'Nothing Else, Bite The Pigeon'
The documentary is nothing but fucking interviews, it's as simple as that, i really don't give a shit about seeing fucking interviews to tell you the truth, i'm really sick of the whole thing, peter can stick his 800 hours of interviews up his ass for all i care.
all i care about seeing is the blizzard pro shot footage.
and you are the dumbest fuck alive mr crowley. it's all the fucking same no matter how much time or money is spent, it's just FUCKING INTERVIEWS, big fuckin deal.
ultimate rhoads has their own interviews with bob daisley & lee kerslake.
that's just as good as seeing the interview shit on video.
like i said before they could have just released this bullshit on a audio cd or as a E-book, it's JUST FUCKING INTERVIEWS.
I've seen music documentaries before you dumb ass, i seen the one for muddy waters & the one for howlin wolf, this won't be any better than them, it's all just interviews, people fucking talking.
Like I said you stupid motherfucker, when Kelly was at my house & we were talking about Randy Rhoads I could have video taped a couple hours of that and that would have been just as good as this fucking documentary will be.
No one gives a fuck about the artsy fartsy bullshit.
It's nothing more than talking heads on a screen, it really is a point and shoot.
As far as direction the footage or the story it goes in, who gives a flying fuck.
It's not gonna change a goddamn thing one way or the other.
I doubt there will be much in the documentary most of us don't already know about Randy.
At this point I really don't give a shit about the documentary, and really I never did care a whole lot about it. IT's NOT RANDY RHOADS, it's stupid fucking interviews of people talking about Randy Rhoads.
I don't really give a fuck if the goddamn documentary never comes out, I'm sick of hearing about it.
All I give a fuck about seeing is the Blizzard Pro Shot footage.
See making a documentary is nothing. It's nothing more than point & shoot, quit trying to act like you are the be all end all when you ain't shit bitch.
YOu see anyone can make a fucking documentary. Just like anyone can bring a video camera into a show and video tape it.
And you know if a new Audience recorded bootleg video of Randy surfaces, people will love it, and it will be the work of a amatuer, not a pro filmmaker, and even the poorest quality, worst shot video footage of Randy Rhoads will fucking BLOW AWAY anything Peter Margolis ever does with his little documentary.
So go fuck yourself Mr Crowley after you get done fucking yo mamma.
NOT your friend in the Blues,
Romeo Rose
all i care about seeing is the blizzard pro shot footage.
and you are the dumbest fuck alive mr crowley. it's all the fucking same no matter how much time or money is spent, it's just FUCKING INTERVIEWS, big fuckin deal.
ultimate rhoads has their own interviews with bob daisley & lee kerslake.
that's just as good as seeing the interview shit on video.
like i said before they could have just released this bullshit on a audio cd or as a E-book, it's JUST FUCKING INTERVIEWS.
I've seen music documentaries before you dumb ass, i seen the one for muddy waters & the one for howlin wolf, this won't be any better than them, it's all just interviews, people fucking talking.
Like I said you stupid motherfucker, when Kelly was at my house & we were talking about Randy Rhoads I could have video taped a couple hours of that and that would have been just as good as this fucking documentary will be.
No one gives a fuck about the artsy fartsy bullshit.
It's nothing more than talking heads on a screen, it really is a point and shoot.
As far as direction the footage or the story it goes in, who gives a flying fuck.
It's not gonna change a goddamn thing one way or the other.
I doubt there will be much in the documentary most of us don't already know about Randy.
At this point I really don't give a shit about the documentary, and really I never did care a whole lot about it. IT's NOT RANDY RHOADS, it's stupid fucking interviews of people talking about Randy Rhoads.
I don't really give a fuck if the goddamn documentary never comes out, I'm sick of hearing about it.
All I give a fuck about seeing is the Blizzard Pro Shot footage.
See making a documentary is nothing. It's nothing more than point & shoot, quit trying to act like you are the be all end all when you ain't shit bitch.
YOu see anyone can make a fucking documentary. Just like anyone can bring a video camera into a show and video tape it.
And you know if a new Audience recorded bootleg video of Randy surfaces, people will love it, and it will be the work of a amatuer, not a pro filmmaker, and even the poorest quality, worst shot video footage of Randy Rhoads will fucking BLOW AWAY anything Peter Margolis ever does with his little documentary.
So go fuck yourself Mr Crowley after you get done fucking yo mamma.
NOT your friend in the Blues,
Romeo Rose
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Cpt Matt Sparrow
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Hi Tomwhoopiecat wrote:It is obvious that the British guitarists that came to fame in the 60's and 70's were very much influenced by American Rythym & Blues, but that's a good thing!
From that influence, we were blessed with the Beatles, the Yardbirds, Cream, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Purple, the Stones and others I know I'm brain-farting on right now, but they were the ones to take Rock & Roll to the next level. Cripes, even Jimi had to cross the pond to get proper recognition.
I just thought, as an American, I should voice my opinion of British Rock guitarists.
Matt, if you "ban yourself", could you turn that way, please? That's something the rest of us don't need to see
Tom
it is a pleasure going off topic to something interesting. I agree completely, I actually think as a white man I owe the Black African man a huge thank you for kick starting jazz, blues and also creating the 'big bang' that gave us all the rock we all love and discuss on the forums.
I love the Beatles for not only embracing the Black American blues in their early music, but also for being probably the first band to actually use folk and Clasical music in their pop music to create pop music in my opinion.
America and Britain have always and will always have these ties, and not just musically. We are just very different I think sometimes.
Matt
Having a break from online activity for a while to concentrate on music. Please email if you need to get in touch. Matt
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whoopiecat
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Very true, Matt...so many musicians site the Beatles as a major influence on their own work. They not only changed pop music, but how albums are recorded and produced.
It's funny, there have been several occurences in music history where a particular genre of music broke in the UK first:
Beatlemania
British Blues
NWOBHM
New Wave, and so on.
Long after the Seattle scene killed off the hair bands, and a group like Dokken couldn't get arrested in the US, they discovered there were droves of fans waiting for them to come to Europe and Japan.
America is certainly different in that we always seem to be looking for the next big thing, and will jump off one bandwagon and onto another, en masse.
It's funny, there have been several occurences in music history where a particular genre of music broke in the UK first:
Beatlemania
British Blues
NWOBHM
New Wave, and so on.
Long after the Seattle scene killed off the hair bands, and a group like Dokken couldn't get arrested in the US, they discovered there were droves of fans waiting for them to come to Europe and Japan.
America is certainly different in that we always seem to be looking for the next big thing, and will jump off one bandwagon and onto another, en masse.
Whenever I put on Blizzard or Diary, what a wonderful, delicate furious beast.... I MISS you, man!
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Hey Romeo -
There are many of us that want to see the "fucking interviews" because in the 25+ years since his death Randy has only been defined by Sharon, Ozzy, and Kevin - the loudmouths of his life. And, that is what really sucks, IMHO. The funny thing is that these three folks have ALWAYS had there own agenda in mind when it comes to Randy. The many people interviewed in the film knew Randy, loved Randy, and will offer a much richer idea of who Randy was as a person, a musician, and friend - which Kevin, Sharon, and Ozzy have completely avoided with their drama over the years. No real agenda, though PM has disappointed many, including myself.
So, can you do me a favor and stop ripping the film just because you disagree with the format and hate PM. There are many of us that just want Randy's legacy re-defined by those that knew and loved him, and not defined by the perception of the three loudmouths noted above.
You know what I mean?
Besides, the pro-shot footage would have eventually come out anyway, just like many things that already have. The documentary, on the other hand, is a welcome piece of history that should be appreciated by all of Randy's fans, despite the questionable character of the films director. The film is being made and that is a big deal.
Best regards,
Gary
There are many of us that want to see the "fucking interviews" because in the 25+ years since his death Randy has only been defined by Sharon, Ozzy, and Kevin - the loudmouths of his life. And, that is what really sucks, IMHO. The funny thing is that these three folks have ALWAYS had there own agenda in mind when it comes to Randy. The many people interviewed in the film knew Randy, loved Randy, and will offer a much richer idea of who Randy was as a person, a musician, and friend - which Kevin, Sharon, and Ozzy have completely avoided with their drama over the years. No real agenda, though PM has disappointed many, including myself.
So, can you do me a favor and stop ripping the film just because you disagree with the format and hate PM. There are many of us that just want Randy's legacy re-defined by those that knew and loved him, and not defined by the perception of the three loudmouths noted above.
You know what I mean?
Besides, the pro-shot footage would have eventually come out anyway, just like many things that already have. The documentary, on the other hand, is a welcome piece of history that should be appreciated by all of Randy's fans, despite the questionable character of the films director. The film is being made and that is a big deal.
Best regards,
Gary
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It has always been simple to me I want to see the interviews with those who knew him but I don;t care about those who didn't know him, the people who didn't know him but feel influenced by him already have a platform to speak..........
..........The forums!!!!!! thats what we are here for.
It has always been simple to me I want to see the interviews with those who knew him but I don;t care about those who didn't know him, the people who didn't know him but feel influenced by him already have a platform to speak..........
..........The forums!!!!!! thats what we are here for.
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Maybe Peter tried to portrait Randy from different angles? So trying to give a wider view of how people see him?
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You know what would have been fun too, and I hope at least some were found, The Classical Teachers that Randy took lessons from while in Europe. It would be interesting to hear their perception on time spent with him. I've always wondered actually how many teachers he did have while touring? Maybe one day............ 